Asians can be so direct
This is from the description of a book titled Global Internet Governance. It DOES seem one can infer that there’s a side to the internet that only the government (especially informal government) has knowledge of.
Stepping outside of my normal self for a second, I’d say that’s a fair way to frame the issue, as “governance” and that I believe people should be governed to some degree- that the question is really “how” they should be. Want your kids being shaped by “infotainment” that teaches them apes are good and humans are bad? Maybe you do since you are one of those kids that were already shaped like that. That’s a form of governance. Another way to look at it- so much low-taste material on youtube that isn’t political at all, and wouldn’t you like to be able to toggle a filter so they don’t see that during their developing years? If you can relate to that then “governance” is something that isn’t bad in itself. So China banned TikTok? I’ve never seen one video from there of any lasting value whatsoever. What a loss.
Until recently, America owned 10/10 of the top ones, now China owns 6/10
America has de facto run the internet and it’s based on American values because the companies were American and if that shifts to China, we will have a very different internet.
Apparently there are other scholars of “Internet Governance” – another emerging genre.
Have you spent time on Baidu yet, the Chinese google? I’ll say the word since it’s the most accurate one- there’s something more Orwellian about Baidu than Google. And that’s saying something, because Google is already bad enough. In a word, we are governed.
Reminds me of chapter 17 of the Tao Te Ching
When the Master governs, the people
are hardly aware that he exists.
When the work is done,
the people say: “Amazing:
we did it, all by ourselves.”
I.e. most people don’t see themselves as governed by google, twitter, etc.
When I look at the Chinese I see a people that naturally submits to their government. At first I thought it was only them that is like that, then I realized that people here too “don’t mind” being governed. Or speaking directly like these Asians, don’t mind having their thoughts managed.
It would sicken you if you could truly see the sort of person this “government” is responsible for forming.
It’s similar to the way New Atheists would call God a bearded old man in the sky, except with morality. They don’t believe it’s real, and they have a caricatured idea in their mind of it. Reminds me almost of the stereotype we have of Vegas. A vacation of vice, except it’s everyday. They really believe they’ll never have to pay the price. I guess that’s what being braindead from the crazy pills is for forgetting. “I’m a slug! Now I’ll take these to forget all about that.”
Anyway, this 2021 book is talking about a fourth stage of internet governance underway. The public doesn’t know much about any of these stages. “We’ve had the free internet since the 90s!”
Are you cynical enough to wonder if this book itself is an act of internet governance?
It’s about a hybrid between US and Chinese models
We offer some concluding thoughts to the issue, with the key contention that a hybrid model is what both Singapore and Malaysia have been practising since the advent of the Internet
Think of that sci fi novel about war with China written by national security advisors – you never know what tricks the Chinese might be up to. “Give them a middle way to warm them up.”
The internet is the weapon of weapons against thought-control in the world today. Thus, this subdiscipline of internet governance might be more important than one might otherwise think.
That picture of Zuckerberg jogging through Tiananmen Square- how blatant. Our techlords protect our “princelings” as much as theirs do there. The two internets are not as different as people think. And our internet will hide discussions about why exactly they are similar. Who’s a Chinese billionaire people know, Jack Ma? Imagine a picture of him winking while standing in front of Auschwitz.
Regardless of that, there’s a palpable difference between Baidu and Google.
While I hope I’ve shown that various qualities of the following are exaggerated, there’s some truth about the Chinese internet here
So this is a good question to ask, and preferably it should be asked by people who aren’t named Lee
Does this sound like a suspicious thing for him to say or is it just me
The case of design for the future Internet illustrates how excessive focus on Chinese political motivations can obscure many other interests and factors involved.
You have to be a certain kind of bloodhound to find certain materials on the internet. A problem with people today is that they don’t even know to look. A problem I can see in the future is that even the ones who do know to look, and how to look, won’t find anything, because it won’t be there. I expect they’re going to learn how to erase it from the internet altogether, possibly instantaneously. I.e. thoughtcriminal uploads a document, and within a second it’s scanned for certain key words and phrases and is digitally shredded. Seems likely to me, either with the US or China in control, just especially China. I’m not going to be relativistic about it, as bad as things are here.
I don’t like the sound of this one bit, especially in the context of the Social Credit Score System and face-recognition technology
The most tangible concern raised about ‘New IP’ is that “internet service providers…would have control and oversight of every device connected to the network”
It seems like something that’s the opposite of “Urbit” ideally conceived, that they would put into effect. Would, will, at the rate they’re going economically. And the west is so braindead in Vegas that they won’t even notice when it happens. And this of course is partially a result of the way they govern the internet here already. So one malgovernance is going to lead to an even more excessive malgovernance.