I need to learn how to stop hating people
I’m at such a stage of misanthropy this is what I’m trying to understand now
also illuminating near-cousins of forgiveness – pardon, mercy, amnesty, excuse, compassion, and apology
Is there something mystical about forgiveness that I don’t understand? There just seems to be too much forgiveness in the world. “Excuse” more like. They let them off when they should learn instead. And they won’t learn if you’re too nice and “forgive” them.
This book might be too sugarcoated if they put it this way
reconciliation in the face of an irredeemably imperfect world.
Living in an irredeemable world. Convince me that’s not realistic, I hope that’s what this book does.
There are multiple non-PC ways to go about this that I expect aren’t in this book. Once again, the form it might provide. The beginning of the list, at least in my mind, is the totalitarianism of the extended crime-family. How could I ever forgive that? I’m trying, I’m trying to not live as such a hateful person. Because it’s probably not good for me either. “Just go to your local priest and discuss this. That doesn’t work, how about a therapist? No, can’t talk to them about that either?”
This writer consulted with MacIntyre and a few other luminaries in writing this book so I’m not sure this is a normal person.
This is more of an existential “What is — ?” question than most
It is easier to say what it is not, than what it is.
Forgiveness seems to be something dialectical, both people involved feel like they’re owed an apology. What I don’t like about it is that it necessarily entails equalist thinking. It’s really a method of control. I’m trying to think outside of myself, alright? I feel like society has scapegoated me, many times, for years- how could I forgive them for that? Just pat them on the head, tell them It’s okay, you’re evil, that’s fine.
He says we count someone who forgives as a praiseworthy character. Should “we” do that? I’m trying to look at this concept of forgiveness as if for the first time.
He just described a good deal of people here
someone who habitually forgives unilaterally and in a blink of an eye strikes us as spineless
Pushovers with no sense of justice. The word “justice” itself has been appropriated by these same spineless ones to justify themselves.
I’m not going to forgive a secretive totalitarianism that strives to convince us to hate ourselves and believe that nigger apes who live in huts without us should be emulated. And anyone who is part of that project, no forgiveness for you either. We’ll see if this book can convince me otherwise.
“We forgive you so much for being hut people that we’ll turn into you ourselves!” That’s just spineless. What part of you only wants to do what you have to do to not be ostracized? I don’t think that’s forgiveness, that’s just a type of schmoozing.
People who dance on his grave are babies who hate authority. Just because you hate authority doesn’t mean you stopped being babies who need it. Take some more crazy pills, slut.
Ah another crucial type of forgiveness. Therapists these days probably praise them about how strong and independent they are, then prescribe medication that the corporations give them kickbacks for. What would they say outside of that kind of context? You’re a slave of the jews, who possibly never could be loved. We’re bringing up this question of forgiveness, maybe it is possible? In my experience, that’s just who they are, they’re sluts, so while I might forgive them, it would only be reckless to try to breed them. Is that true forgiveness though? In that context I’m not sure they could be forgiven. Take it up with the overlords, they’re the ones who facilitate slut culture. Whatever, it’s just your life, I’m sure you want children with a feminist single mom, I bet they’ll turn out as ideal citizens, the future paradigm-shifters, right right.
This is one form of self-awareness
One reason philosophers have shied away from giving the topic its due, or from counting forgiveness as a virtue at all, may concern its religious overtones.
Is it a meaningful concept outside of religion?
I dunno, the ones who’ve felt mad or sad when I’ve accused the typical intelligent American of being a “sell-out”, what do you think? Do you care about forgiveness, be honest with me. I think some part of you probably does. Why should you be forgiven?
This is pretty intense
Uttering (even to myself, whether about another or about myself) “I forgive you” does not mean I have in fact done so, regardless of the level of subjective conviction. So too “I am forgiven.”
Then we get to the question of whether I want to be like those who I hate most and impose an “infinite debt”. No, I believe that people are able to prove they’re not a bad person. That’s the only form of forgiveness that seems not based on illusion to me. Have you learned, if you haven’t learned, why would I forgive you? That just seems to sentimental to the point that it’s meaningless. And that seems to be our political policy overall. Sentimental, meaningless forgiveness. In fact there’s nothing in our standard order that one could do that would merit the question of whether they should be forgiven or not. Supporting an order like that is something itself that cannot be forgiven, and most people do support it, probably for reasons of their own vice and spiritual lethargy. Whatever, I don’t want to live in a world where people are so hateable. You apologize for this system and scapegoat people who accuse you of being an immoral slave. Here’s some forgiveness for that – nah.
Maybe a science of forgiveness is possible? I will at least attempt to outline one. It’s symbolic. At least at first. You forgive them and that gives them the needed freedom from their thoughts of revenge for being accused to actually grow as a person. We’re adults here, I’m not going to give you that, you can decide to wallow in revenge or stop being a clearly depraved person with no thought of morality in your brain. Vegas, baybee, nothin matters.
“What about whether I should forgive you?” I can be excessively cruel. I hope you can understand that it is a response to the culture I describe above. “Oh so you’re innocent huh?” Have I ever made anyone cry? I consider myself guilty only insofar as that pain didn’t lead to them growing as a person. If you’re not sugarcoated enough with people then they will be vengeful, so that would be a consequence of the disrespect of pragmatism on my part. Too much forgiveness in our culture- someone has to be “cruel”.
“I can’t forgive you for not forgiving me.” – Obviously if I’m bringing up this subject at all I care about your well-being. Just trying to be honest with you, and I guess you can’t forgive me of that.
Someone who could give me a stronger faith in the divine, they I would forgive.
Candidacy for forgiveness relies on “proving yourself”, at least in my mind. This isn’t a theological context. When I try to think of this concept as if for the first time that’s the conclusion I draw.
“I’ve done nothing wrong, because I love this political order.” And I’ll never forgive you for that obvious denial.