I’m new to secondary literature on Virgil so it’s cool that this writer hits me with so many resources in the very first lines

How to appreciate one of the best books ever written – “Here ya go.” Thanks!

I tend to see scholars as a different “Guattari” every day. One person alone seems so stagnant, and having only one Guattari seems so stagnant too.

I don’t care what that nay-sayer says about the “sublimity of the digital revolution” – I embrace that, it IS sublime. Depending on the library, in the past maybe you’d have one resource to help you understand Virgil, maybe two? And even then you’d have to have access to a university library, which almost everyone didn’t.

They were probably pretty content being this way

each reader feels that each of his favorite poems somehow belongs to him and therefore resents any intrusions into his private and special gardens.

I’m not, I love pedants, I love experts. An unspecialized reader knows NOTHING about a given text. I would be so lost without a few scholars who wrote about some of my favorites. “A Virgil like me doesn’t need that.” A brute blind and dumb ego by the sounds of it. Certain scholars are necessary intermediaries arguably. You’re just saying “Teachers are bad.” We are in the midst of the Age of the Plebs after all, so you probably would think that.

From my previous post- lacking in critical thinking skills and morally bankrupt. You don’t know how true that really is. Being stupid is one thing, being an immoral imbecile quite another. And that’s the norm in Vegas baby. You hellspawn.

That’s why you have to look out for the exceptional individuals – and scholars are often that.

Someone put in the time to absorb all these pages just for me, just so I could understand Virgil?

That’s an ordinary person who does that. They care about the finer things in life.

Many celebrate the poets, and not the scholars who help us understand the poets.

Speaking of “classical education”, it’s possible to never stop having that, and these are the “schoolteachers”.


Here’s a good sign for those who think that revolution was a mistake

Vergil’s main problem after the French Revolution was that he was clearly the darling of the neoclassical establishment. The late eighteenth-century Homer, on the other hand, a dim adumbration of our free-spirited Yugoslavian minstrels, did not have the misfortune of being literate

Who would dare question Homer? A Virgil supremacist? He calls him the standard-bearer of the hated old order – I did not know this. I dunno why, I just have an intense appreciation for scholars at the moment. I guess I’ve taken them for granted. This one is so refined and not pretentious at all about it – what more do you want?


Here’s an interesting question from another scholar, if you want to connect Virgil to my earlier post on the Greeks and justice

This essay will try to present plausible grounds for suspecting that he did, and that in what Plato called the quarrel between poetry and philosophy, Vergil took the side of Plato against Homer.

“Losing my religion” learning more about Virgil. Is there a rabble-related reason that Homer is so popular and Virgil is relatively chopped liver? He says Homer wasn’t literate – talk about a put-down. You’re looking to make people angry when you say something like that. Bring the Ajax out in people.

Vergil had guided Dante; Dante, through the late twenties, through the thirties, and into the forties had guided Eliot. So, in the hour of supreme crisis, it is not strange to find Eliot announcing that it is Vergil who stands at the center of European civilization

How sad it is that something like the above counts as “off the reservation”.

If that’s true, or at least has some truth to it, then this is probably an important question

What is Vergil also saying about the unity and the salvation of our civilization?

“That doesn’t exist, we are one with the apes!” Okay nigger, why are you still reading this? Shoo now, to the jungle with you. Subhuman, you’re lucky there are laws.

No loss when something like this is killed

Time for the possum to do its dive, enjoy your meal, you greasy miscreation.

Wow, I can’t imagine having any of this today in our civilization

Eliot sought in the Aeneid nothing less than a vision able to sustain the life of European civilization, the vision of a “civilized world of dignity, reason and order.”

Where is any of that? I don’t see it. Between the feet-kissers and the pump-n-dumps you can’t say there’s much there that has dignity. And it’s all guided by people who are incapable of reason, and who only know disorder, as is glaringly evidenced by their lack of a country.

This scholar says Virgil is the first poet to take up Plato’s project of cultivating his readers to be suitable citizens of the Just City.

Is this possible in our time, to “revise our divinities”?

We find that the gods are not quite the perfect, rational beings demanded by Socrates. Here, more than anywhere, Vergil could not but compromise halfway, since he had not, like Socrates, the luxury of starting from scratch.

If Virgil wrote this in 19 BC, why is it seen as so far-fetched to interpret the New Testament in a similar way?

And how about our own secular order? Was that put together consciously in the image of gods that are perfect, rational beings? Or was it rather hasty? What’s stopping us from trying to create a more perfect order? This is why someone like Virgil is considered timeless, because he provokes his readers to have more exalted concerns than the everyday. One steps out of one’s own order and gets a glimpse of the Order outside of all time-bound orders.

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