Is this not strange?
Tiw, Woden, Thunor, Frig, these ancient northern deities gave their names to the very days of our week. Nevertheless, most of us know far more of Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and the classical deities.
I’m surprised not more northwestern euros don’t take an interest in this, especially those who don’t jive with today’s cladistic christianity. There’s such a stigma surrounding it, that’s probably why. Am I wrong? It’s not easy to get over the stigma even if you’re prone to keeping your distance from the herdmind.
This is suspicious
We have largely neglected however the mythology of our own forbears, the Anglo-Saxons and Vikings who settled in the British Isles and worshipped their gods there before Christianity
I know I’ll offend people (what else is new?) when I say it- both the left and right whites are being crucified at present and doing nothing about it. It’s almost like that’s your religion, to be crucified. Have you ever gotten clubbed over the head by a viking? If you’ve read this site for a while the chances are that you have. That’s the natural relation between a pagan and a christian. If you’re able to thrive under Jack’s rule you are a christian. Gentle, meek.
There IS another dimension to Christianity, it’s just never actualized in modern times. There must be something distinctive about these divinities if they were reacted against so strongly
These two waged unceasing battle against the heathen gods, smashing their idols, burning their temples, and either driving out their followers or putting them to a painful death in the name of Christ. Some of those driven out settled in Iceland, where there were no kings and no persecution.
“It sounds like they were being heathens TO the heathens!” – Yes, this dimension of Christianity is seen as heathen today. Want to know something disturbing though? The day Trump caught COVID – so many progs were openly bloodthirsty and fanged, basking in the fantasy that he would die! That desire to murder for the sake of the “faith” is very real, it’s just hidden. The right, too, has it, and it is occasionally hinted about. Whether it’s christian or heathen… I might have to say it’s heathen. Christ is a martyr, not a warrior like Muhammad, say.
This is interesting
A new step towards the understanding of myth was made when C. G. Jung showed how the symbolism of ancient legends was echoed in the dreams of his patients, in cases where they were quite unfamiliar with the tales.
If you dreamt in pagan symbolism would you even know it? They do not go out of their way to familiarize us with these legends so probably not.
Sidenote- another study I’d like to find is one that juxtaposes concepts from modern philosophy with symbols from pre-modern mythology. Was philosophy a way that “paganism” emerged amidst Christian times? Geist = Odin, etc.
This writer gets it
the myths may lead us to discover more about our spiritual heritage, and perhaps to realize some of the defects in the spiritual development of the modern world.
We tend to have the bias of thinking we were Christian since year 1. No, it wasn’t firmly set in place until the 1100s. The way many relate to the Bible (with exceptional solemnity) seems to presuppose Europeans were Christians since year 1.
Ah I hate this
It is from this book of Snorri’s, written about 1220, that our main impression of northern mythology has been derived.
How could you trust something written within Christendom? Eh I’ll take it. I might do a post on Beowulf (from year 1000) later.
This is exciting to me, I feel I’ve finally lost the stigma surrounding these old divinities. Do you feel that too? “No, the stigma is still there, heathen! HEATHEN!”
To be fair, Christianity gave us science. It also gave us clownworld. Something is missing in our spiritual life.
Snorri suggests that many of the gods and goddesses in question were from Troy
that Thor was perhaps a grandson of King Priam, thus linking the north to the ancient world.
A sacred cow I’m about to slaughter- it would probably be best to try to forget about Tolkien’s conception of all this too. LOTR, particularly the movies, could be a way to present some of this ethos in a postwar manner.
Anyway, it’s a controversy whether there were 12 or 13 Olympian gods, and the northern pantheon is similar
Snorri twice gives their number as twelve, excluding Odin himself. Odin was the father
A good study that contrasts these pantheons isn’t as easy to find as you might expect. Or a “philosophy of” book I haven’t found either. Nothing much on Dietrich either outside of that book I was drawing from in my previous post. What keeps striking me is that Carlyle said what he said. They believed in pre-christian divinities across the English channel too. The Swedes were the most stubborn of the Europeans to give them up. What did we lose when we lost them?
These tales have the double function of keeping the deeds of past warriors alive and of providing illustrations of exemplary behavior for the living warriors.
“Just focus on those distant distant Meds if you simply must focus on any of that.” Nah.
I wonder to what degree these modern portrayals are accurate – I haven’t seen most of these yet
Not seeing any recent Wagner adaptations. A forgotten world.