Speaking of an island
Someone who is on the Index.
More is a character himself in the dialogues of this book. We can expect what this means
he’s practical, traditional, and loyal to his family and friends, his England
The main character, who definitely isn’t More, is Hythloday, a name that translates from the Greek as “talker of nonsense”.
He’s in an agon with Plato, as over a century later Milton is in an agon with Homer.
He’s a contemporary of Machiavelli, we’re jumping to the English renaissance now.
Sir Thomas ended up being decapitated for high treason, that was the kind of person he was.
This poster makes a good point about the context- More is similar to that Spanish playwright Barca in reacting to the forces of modernization
The Catholic church canonized him as a saint and a martyr 400 years after his death.
More himself said this
This study is interesting so far
In my view the Utopia allows us, or rather forces us, as does no other work, to see and understand the development of the modern political order in the context of the entire Western tradition
People usually say modernity begins with Mach and/or Hobbes. This scholar attempts to demonstrate that More formulates the shift in the west more explicitly than either of them. Canon-shaking if true, we’ll see how he makes his case.
He wrote for a double audience- renaissance humanists who were familiar with Plato and Christian scholastics.
This scholar claims More did to the state what Luther did to the church. Sounds like a writer it would be significant to know about.
What interests me most about these paradigm-shifters is how they seem so similar to me to the digital revolution that we are presently in and particularly what it means for Knowledge. Internet parrhesia can be viewed in the following context which I talk about in this post
Time to impact. They want to keep the internet silenced forever. Will they? They’re doing a pretty stand-up job so far if you ask me.
It’s been fewer than 20 years (from what I can determine) since Realtalk began on the web so who knows, it’s still so early.
Just know that when I talk about these various innovators on the plane of ideas throughout history I usually have in the background of my mind the digital revolution. It’s real, it’s just smothered, and heavily moderated and erased. It’s easier than you think to brainwash people back to baseline.
Some anon should write a PDF on Thomas Kuhn and internet parrhesia (so google can disappear it).
Isn’t he a bit like you and me?
This, except in a double-sense
Standing on the shoulder of a giant who’s standing on the shoulder of a giant, that’s OUR luxury.
I see American democracy this way
all thoughtful men in Europe were forced to turn their attention to the desperate political problem which resulted from the collapse of the medieval system.
You think our situation is extreme? The system that had collapsed in More’s time had existed for 1200 some years. Did ours even last 200 years?
Ficino translated Plato’s dialogues about 30 years before More wrote Utopia. The digital revolution might lead to a classic of that stature eventually, like I said, it’s still too early. They try to do everything they can to prevent that possibility. They like their modernity, they don’t want a new modernity.
This relates to the idea of “the silence of brahmins” from my previous post. With the internet’s anon feature, something similar to the rediscovery of Plato in the renaissance has occurred. If you doubt this it’s only because they’re so good at obscuring the true nature of the paradigm shift.